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Subject: Response to Return to Glory (First
post to this page, which gave us the idea for this forum...)
From: Caribbean
Name: Lenese
I have viewed most of the website and have also heard about the book
but have not yet had the chance to read it. However, everyone
(Whites & Blacks) I know who has, concede that it is a powerful
book. Where I live (CARIBBEAN) the subject of racial prejudice and
inequalities are very prevalent, though not as exposed as it is in
your country. Here it is very subtle, and I think this is the worst
type. The site seems quite comprehensive except that there was no
place provided for individual opinions. One suggestion: as you
progress you can probably make the addition of a chat room, (but
supervised -- this is a volatile topic and
discussions can get out of hand). This will provide an opportunity
for people who genuinely want reconciliation, to talk about the book
and what the knowledge provided in it has done for them, and they
can help others. I believe talking is an important part of healing.
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From: East African living USA
Name: nebeyuz@hotmail.com
I have not read your book yet but I am very excited about what you are doing. It is about time that true history is told and I wish that more would be rewritten.
As an east African who grew up in America, I have come to the realization that black and white racial issues will never completely be resolved. Mainly because oppressed people can not simply get over their oppression over a generation…not even over several generations and this is true with any racial groups not only African Americans. Take a look at world’s conflicts. I am not making an excuse merely stating its human nature.
The debate about African American claiming ancient Egypt civilization, the only claim that African American would or should have is that the ancient Egyptians were unmistakably black. African American are not saying that their ancestors are from North East Africa, it’s common knowledge that the slaves of the new world were from West Africa not east Africa. But as a people who have been stripped out of their identity and history, it is legitimate for African American to be proud of the accomplishment of any black people and the fact that they are not from the same bloodline is irrelevant. White Americans mostly of Irish/English descendents have the right to claim European civilizations and even replicated the laws and art of the Romans and constantly wrote about the greatness of the Roman Empire, African American should have the same right of pride in their race.
Maybe this would not be such a big issue if the true contributions of the black race to civilization would not be denied.
What’s sad is that the western world would go to the extent of denying the truth about African people in order to deny Africans what was truly accomplished by them to promote their own race and to also to justify their intrusion on the African people. By accepting the truth about Africans being capable of civilization would not necessarily strip them out of their own contributions to civilization but to claim all of our contributions to civilization are unjust to our people.
As to the guy commenting about his friend being “livid” about African American “hijacking” Egypt, what a hypocrisy…she/he needs to know that the Arabs are the last people amongst other intruders through out Egypt history that have invaded Egypt or we would not be having this discussion.
I also want to address the stereotype about African physical characteristics…people from Africa have different characteristics just as any other continent so…. to not have the typical physical characteristics of Sub Saharan African (Dark skin, flat nose, kinky hair etc) does not mean you are not black or mixed as some people say about modern day Ethiopians, Eritrean, Somalis and Sudanese the original people of Kush, Nubia and Sudan.
I just wish that this debate was not about self promotion but about learning about true facts.
Where I came from this was not an issue because our history is told to us without books but now that we are on this side of the world we have to affirm true history and claim what’s ours for our future generations.
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Subject: Response to this page
From: Caribbean
Name: Keino
What is wrong with some of you people who don't believe that true
Africans are intelligent enough to civilize a nation. I'm not
talking about ancient Egyptians, but other African people. There are
pyramids and archeological evidence in South America and Central
America that clearly depicts Negroes as the astute people who
brought astronomy to these civilizations. There are statues of pure
Negroes that depicts this. Scientist test these statues by carbon
dating and they date back to before the time of the Vikings and
other Europeans crossed the Atlantic Ocean. This is fact and was
just recently on the Discovery Channel. However they stated
themselves that, "This knowledge contradicts all that we have
been taught about the first people that crossed Americas from the
east, besides the Native Americans. Back to the Egypt thing! It is
obvious that the ancient Egyptians who build the pyramids were of
Negro origin. Eventually they started to mix with the whites and
Semites who changed their genetic make up. As one goes from the old
dynasty to the new dynasty, it is evident in the changes of the
depiction of the Egyptians that they were an evolving people. Just
look at structure like the sphinxes. They are undeniably Negro in
features. The Sphinxes and pyramids are from the time of true Negro
rule before race mixing happened in Africa. Another thing! There are "tribes" of African people in India, China, South
America and North America who' the Europeans met there when they
came to colonize these nations. These things were
"accidentally" left out of the history books. When there
Europeans came to conquer and rule, they need to establish
themselves as the superior so it would have been no benefit for them
to include anything about the great past Negro civilization that
they were discovering. They need to have people support slavery so
Negroes had to be viewed as beasts and sub-human. It is a fact that
thousands of mummies from Egypt was used as fuel and burned. We
don't know they genetic make up of them. They could have been the
Negro fathers and mothers of Egyptian civilization. If one looks at
the origin of different races, we see that Caucasians came from
Russia's caucus mountains and settled into the countries below. The
African came from Africa and moved north. If I had to bet based on
statistical analysis and historical evidence like the bible, I would
bet that the Ancient Egyptians were Black/Negro. Just like the
blacks in America are viewed.
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From: Texas
Name: Cynthia
I just finished reading the "Return To Glory" and I am amazed and very
intrigued by all the information. Being a Christian and having some biblical knowledge I know that some of the things are true because I've
read them in the Bible and my pastor have taught on them. We started
bible study in the old Testament and we're up to Exodus now. I am a black woman and this book caught my eye in the book store. I could not
put it down !!!!!!! I want to buy it for all my male family members - I
feel that it is such an explosive testimony of truth which has been lacking in our society for so very long. The old
cliché "the truth hurts" is very real in this case. America, Egypt, etc. does not want to
claim us. We're descendants of Africa/Egypt etc. but most of us were born
in America. We've been treated worse than second class citizens. Why do
I always feel like I have to prove that I am American - anyone can come
to America and be treated better than blacks. It's really sad, but I
have the hope in Jesus Christ and I know we are already VICTORIOUS !!!! I
can't wait to do some some reading on some of the material you have listed to back up these truths. Thank you for being Christian men
willing to stand on the Word, and help a race in need of affirmation.
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Subject: I am Egyptian, but not Black
From: ?
Name: P.E.
I am an Egyptian of pure (Coptic) blood. I am not black. The ancient Egyptians were not black but rather Semito-Hamitic with Mediterranean features.
This is the stance of all the prominent Egyptologists both Egyptian and foreign. Egyptians are mostly tan and white in this day and as I have been to Egypt and seen first
hand the tomb paintings the pharaohs and laborers are red and live skinned. Only
foreigners and captives are painted black. Stop lying about the Egyptians, I think we know who we are and we
don't need people trying to take credit from us. We are an Egyptian-Arab civilization and that is that!
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Subject: Response to "I am Egyptian, but not Black"
From: USA
Name:
Omara
I am a proud black woman. I was however taken aback by the comment
written by P.E on your site. It seems like this individual was so
hot headed about even being remotely linked to blacks. It goes to
show just how far some people will go to deny the even 5% black
blood they may have running through
their veins. It was shocking to know that, that comment was coming
from someone who was from an African country. Last time I checked,
Egypt was located in northern Africa which makes you my dear P.E, an
African. You claim to be Egyptian, but not black? I will have you
know then, that we blacks are not hijacking any of your Egyptian
heritage, but rather stating that European Americans are trying to
hijack the Egyptian heritage and linking it to the white diaspora,
which you seem to have no problem with. You are not black, so that
does not make you pure Egyptian as you state. There are black
Egyptians, in their pure state. You are a watered down version
claiming to be anything other than black. The real heroes of Egypt
was the pure black Egyptians, and not the mixed and watered down
version of yourself who don't want to be associated with them,
but would rather be linked to the persons who colonized you and
forced themselves upon your ancestors. You also claim that on the
Egyptian tombs it is clear by the paintings that they were of
lighter complexions fighting of a blacker hued individuals. What
exactly was your point in making that statement? Did you not know,
coming from Africa, that there are many different hues of African
people. Some of the south African tribes are lighter skin with
slanted eyes, does that make them any less black. That is what is
so wonderful about black people we go from the lightest of light to
the darkest of black, and its all beautiful and wonderful. What
other group of people can claim such range and hues of
beautifulness? If you would like to delve further into your
heritage and acquire proof of the black Egyptian in you check this
website --
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/2152/9008.html?1139653831
-- and be more informed about your own heritage next time before
you are so quick to denounce your blackness. My regards, A proud and
informed black woman.
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Subject: Response to Egyptians
Being Black
From: USA
Name: Peter
I would like to say that it really doesn't matter if Egyptians are Black or not. All of mankind comes from a common origin. All great civilizations belong to us all!
However, lets look at the term Hamitic. It is true, that today it is the Northeast Africans who scholars call
Hamitic. We all know that term derives from the name Ham, who historically has been known as the Father of Africa, parts of Asia, Arabia etc. Scholars have also said that Blacks, American Indians, Asians, Polynesians, all come from a different son or grandson of Ham, which as been the the thought for centuries.
I'm a Black American, and it kills me that people still don't understand we all don't look the same. Not all West Africans have so called Negro Features, there is a variety. All blacks in ancient times were
Hamites/Hamitic people. The majority of scholars associate Black Americans, Australian
Aborigines, Jamaicans. and all of Black Africa as coming from Cush eldest son of Ham. The few scholars that don't agree with that don't agree with Cush, say that Black Americans come from Phut third son of Ham. Almost all universally agree that we come from Ham period.
Egypt being the second son of Ham has a very intertwined history with Kush. Just as the book of Genesis tells us that they are brother nations. Egypt had Nubian royalty besides their 100 year reign during the 25th dynasty. Queen Tiye Black Nubian married Ahmenhotep III and became Queen of Egypt. Her son was
Akhenaten and grandson was King Tut.
Black Americans came from somewhere. Many West African tribes have been traced back to the Nile. The Mandingos instance, their oral history says they come from the East and from the Land of the Bow. Scholars say they brought the straight horned ox from the
Nile. The Akan of the Ashanti are known to practice ancient Pharaonic
rituals. Many West African tribes have been found to have similar words to ancient Egyptian befrore Egypt used a
Coptic language. Words for dog, cattle, spirit have the same basic connection and ther are hundreds of other words. Tribes like the
Wolof, Banmara, Malinke, Soninke, SuSu and many others that came as slaves to the Americas.
We shouldn't rush to conclusions so quickly. Many friends and family members ar often thought to be other than
black, and people have a hard time believing them. One friend went to Egypt, and they thought he was Nubian. Lets
research before we accuse.
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Subject: Response to this page
From: USA
Name: Rngr1081@aol.com
African religion gave the West Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The
idea of the Trinity, the Ten Commandments (42 Negative Confessions).
Abraham was not born in Europe, as was not Moses, as was not Jesus
nor Muhammad. What was Europe's contribution again? Connect the
dots, please. The great Christian theologist St. Augustine was a
black African, at least his 2 parents were! Were was the first
Christian church built (Rome or Carthage)? Cartage (Phoenicia), home
of the 'Moors.' But the Moors, like the Egyptians weren't black.
Except when the Shakespeare (English) wanted to write a Moorish play
(Othello). Or when Herodotus wanted to write a contemporary history.
When did the Jewish, Christian expansion to
Europe happen? (Rome 3/400 hundred years after the birth of Christ)
The genes of the Lemba in South Africa, the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia
and West African conclaves show Hebrew markers! The so-called Cohan
(priest) gene. Europe root language and writing system is Asiatic
(Sanskrit), Europe decided to 'name it' Indo-European! The wheel?
Europe was the last continent to develop (read your European history
before 800 B.C., dare you). Europeans did not have the mathematical
concept of zero until Arab (North Africans) translated their math
books for them (algebra is an Arabic word! as is many of your higher
mathematical names).
After the Crusades, these Arabic
translations were translated into European languages (it took quite
awhile, ever thought about why the 'Enlightenment' period followed
the Crusades and the Dark ages)? A thousand years of...? One of the
greatest black African scholars was Al-Jahiz (Black African Muslim).
Who translated the first Greek and Latin works for Europeans? (read
the Greek historian 'Herodotus'). Greeks philosophers and 'learned'
men were going to study in the sub-Saharan African Universities (Jena,Timbucktoo
as well as Cairo). The Dogon peoples (tribes is a European 'title')
charted the stars and had a mathematical system. The first
University in Europe was the one the Moors built in Spain. Egypt had
been conquered by the Assyrians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Turks
as well as the English. I wonder why the modern Egyptian phenotype
doesn't look like a West African?
Though many, very many would be looked upon
as an African-American by sight. Have you ever seen Egyptian
presidents Anwar Saddat or Mubarik? How about Colin Powell, the son
of 2 African-Americans? In a thousand years, will his portrait be
considered black? Do modern Egyptians consider themselves black? Ask
Egyptain-born school teacher, Dr. Mostafa Hefny who sued for his
right to be 'classified' as black against the American government's
OMB Directive #15. Dr. Hefny stated "my complexion is as dark
as most Black Americans. My features are clearly African.
Classification as it is done by the United States government
provides whites with legal ground to claim Egypt as a White
civilization. We are fools if we allow them to take this legacy from
us." African had it's slavery before the Portuguese landed on
it's shores as well as every other culture (the word slave came from
the enslavement of European 'Slavonic' people).
The greatest difference with the
Trans-Atlantic slave trade was not only basic behavior of Europeans
toward Africans, Indians, Asian as well as any 'other' people they
encountered but the institutional racialization (and
rationalization) of a culture that taught (comforted) themselves
that slavery was inherently racial and a justifiable condition of
inferior 'groups'. The pseudoscientific rationalization of the
'superior races,' which science has refuted more than enough times
but alas without much effect it seems. There are no 'pure'
Europeans! Vistigoths, Vandals, Goths, Basques, Picts, Celts,
Gaelics, Angles, Franks, Normans, Saxons, Iberians, Slavs (read
earlier works on 'Slavs' with an 'E' added) etc....
Learn ancient European history (as late as
900 A.D.) and that point will quickly become moot. The English learned the rules of their brand of slavery from their own 'Irish'
slave trade. Remember when they were a separate and uncivilized
'race.' Read the 'Statute of Kilkenny,' the earliest race law. 16th
century English policy concerning the Irish ("Every Irishman
shall be forbidden to wear English apparel or weapon upon pain of
death. That no Irishman, born of Irish race and brought up Irish,
shall purchase land, bear office, be chosen of any jury, or admitted
witness on any real or personal action, nor be bound apprentice to
any science or art. ...") in Ireland sounded very familiar to
black slavery codes.
Pilgrims fleeing to escape public burnings
(religious persecution). Later the British emptied their overcrowded
jails and 'ghettoes' in England (for a price) to provide the
American colony with cheap labor as well as buffer against the
Native American. Where these poor and criminalized section of the
English and Celtic population were also exploited. Historical
selective memory? Remember the penal (prison) colony of Australia?
You may believe Galileo and da Vinci are related to you but the
illiteracy rate for Europe at the time was 85-95% including Royalty.
Books were in not in Europe first either.
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Subject: Return to Glory DVD
From: United States of America
Email: Bob
Goodsalt
I just watched your excellent production "Return to Glory" today.
Africa is a basket case, the "black man" was brought here in chains. What is the modern American born Afro-American male to think? Love GOD and do NOT fear! Africans created one of the most magificant civilizations the human race has ever produced! Several thousand years later the world is still digging up treasures they produced.
Goodness and evil are both equal-opportunity employers. They do not give a damn what color you are - they just want you on their side. Life is a war between good and evil, and an opportunity to choose which side we will belong to.
I fundamentally object to the classifications of "black" and "white". You are not "black", you are brownish (whatever
that means...). I am not "white", I am "beige" (thank you very much) - with a touch of translucence thrown in. In fact, I do look like a "cracker". The less opaque the skin, the more we see what goes on under the surface of humans. All the sickly details of blood flow and various aberations. If you doubt this, watch the latest Wesley Snip vampire movie...
What is wrong with Africa has NOTHING to do with race. ALL of man's follies have to do with his relationship to GOD - period. Africans
descended into paganism and it wiped them out. White people today are exactly dumb enough to do the same thing and are in the process of destroying themselves the same way. The European Union is debating whether to include "God" in their constitution... FOOLS!!! In America, self-absorbed hedonistic white hippy atheist communist God-hating scum are preaching a rejection of Judeo-Christian values.
I saw a recent sermon that the African church is particularly good at spiritual warfare. You made a similar point in your video. We NEED warriors equipped for spiritual warfare against the lies of Satan and I guess that means YOU! HELP!!! :O
Jesus: Don't Leave Earth Without Him!
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Subject: Response to information on web site
From: USA
Name: George
Sir.....For informational purposes only : Africa never had
" Kings and Queens. The titles , "Kings and Queens"
are , European titles. The glorious White man named African Black
leaders as, "Chiefs'. Chiefs had many wives. "best wife,
second best wife , third best wife etc. Never Kings and Queens. Sub-saharan
Africans never discovered agriculture, a coherent religion, writing,
the wheel, philosophy or any teachings that was of use for the
civilized world at large. Africans sold into slavery by their own
people brought nothing with them. Even the meager clothes they wore
were taken from them. Everything present day Blacks have is due to
the Arabs or the White man, for good or bad. Your religion, your
language both written and spoken are benefits Blacks have derived
from Whites.
Above the Sahara, Blacks had glory days in ancient times. Nubia,
Kush, Punt to name but three.
However, most slaves of the mid-1500's were not from any of those
lands. Most slaves came from sub-sahara Africa. Present day Blacks
are 'piggy-backing' on the acheivements of successful Blacks north
of the Sahara . It is akin to a Yugoslavian taking credit for
acheivements of Irishmen. The same continent but entirely different
peoples.
I have several Egyptian friends. One of whom is connected with the
Cairo Museum. She has been livid upon learning American Blacks have
literaly hi-jacked their culture , as are her associates. Dr Hawass,
the famous Egyptologist would love to acquaint you and other
'piggy-backers' as to the real Egyptian culture. They are not Black.
To invent a history is one thing;, to hi-jack another peoples is
another thing entirely......
Blacks , in general may have been successful on the sub-continent
but we will never know since they never invent writing. However, if
the way many primitive tribes still live is any indication, slavery
was the best thing to have ever happened to the Black man. The
decendents of those slaves are the ones who have benefitted, without
a doubt. You certainly wouldn't want to live in present day Nigeria,
Uganda or Zimbabwe, would you ?
The "slave masters' were the slave
brokers, the Arabs. They sold to all comers including other
Blacks.....It is curious that American Blacks will drop what is considered by
them a slave name, in favor of the slave broker, his name and
religion, Islam.
--- George Thomas
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Subject: Response to the Ancient Egyptian Photo Gallery
From: Minneapolis MN
Name: Dave
-- An English-Irish-Scotch-Norwegian-French American
Your Egyptian pictures are very interesting and well done, and some
I hadn't seen before. But my overall impression is "so
what?".
1. Many of the Egyptian people you portray (not all) don't look very
Negroid - only "somewhat" Negroid.
2. If Khafre was the model for the Sphinx, then I was the model for
the Statue of Liberty and the Mona Lisa.
3. The mix of people found in 450 BC may have been quite different
from those of 2500 BC. In fact, we note a tendency towards
sloppiness in their art as the Dynasties advance.
4. But even if Negroes did all these wonderful things several
thousand years ago, so what? Does that mean I should embrace the man
in the car next to me with his stereo blasting out rap music while
his car windows are rolled down? Should I yell out to him,
"Hey, blood, here's to your ancestors!". The so-called
"blacks" of Egypt *appear* to be far more cultured and
civilized than those here in America (as a general rule). Too bad
they didn't make any tape recordings of their voices and music.
5. If they were great once, let them be great again. Let them begin
by building a replica of Khufu's pyramid. Then we'll talk...
Dave
Mainframe computer programmer
Minneapolis, MN
PS: There's no solid evidence that the Egyptians built Khufu's
pyramid, anyway.
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Subject: Response to Web Site
From: USA
Name: Delvin
Baldwin
I have always been fascinated about African American history, when
the movie Amistad hit the movie theaters I cried like a baby when I
learn that so many of my ancestors were murdered simply because they
were black. I have been dealing with discrimination, racism,
inequality ever since I knew what those words meant, and my battle
with such racial demonic spirits is ongoing, and I am no ways from
being tired. I long for the day that the truth about our history is
revealed convincingly without any debate from our oppressors, so if
I can be of any assistance in your movie, please don't hesitate to
ask.Thanks for giving me this opportunity to voice my opinion. Delvin L.
Baldwin
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Subject: Response to Web Site
From: ?
Name: Beniyah
i do feel that there is a need to claim all peoples of Arican decent
even from the Nile to the Euphraties... it was and is still Africa
even after the cutting of the Suaz. The ancient Hebrew were and are
Black. there were no Europeans at the time of the climax of those
Afro-Asiatic Nations and Semites are Aro-Asiatics... not Caucus
peoples. www.kingdomofyah explains who we are and our migration as
many Nations even as far back as 500 BCE did to the west coast. i
still love your work. This along with the book "Blacks in
Antiquity" are sure and valid resources to have. lets claim
back our history. Even the first Greeks and Romans. its all ours.
Not cause i am on a race kick, but for the sake of Truth and my
childrean. thank you. Shalom
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Subject: Response to Web Site
From: ?
Name: Josh
I'll break the ice right away, after viewing multiple Egyptian
artifacts I can see that the Egyptians were certainly not black.
This is the same type of bullsh*t propaganda that white supremacists
use to assert that Nordics formed the foundation of Egyptian
culture. Even in the supposed Egyptian race comparison guide in your
gallery, the "Indo-European" man looks far more like a
Mongol, and dark hair was simply not a trait of the late
indo-Europeans. Also, if you look at Tutankhamun's coffin, there is
a clear portrait of Egyptians
fighting off a much darker race. If you don't believe me, have a
good look at Tutankhamun's chair too.
Anthropologists have classified the Egyptians of the old kingdom as
a sub-race known as "Mediterraneans," this race has mixed
out of existence, and later dynasties reveal artifacts and portraits
of people who clearly have Semitic or Nordic blood. Egyptologists
have determined that the early Egyptians slowly moved north to the
coast of Africa, and there are traces of battles with Negroes. There
is also evidence that the Negroes had a culture of their own that is
somewhat advanced, but it might also have been the remains of the
Mediterranean race. Read into it, but don't compile black
propaganda.
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Subject: Response to Web Site
From: ?
Name: Calling
you on your B--- S---!
Why do you try desperately to try to connect yourself with the
Egyptians. It is like the Irish trying to take responsibility for
the glories of Rome because they are from Europe too. Your slant on
Egyptian history is false and innaccurate. You only have to look at
the countless mummies of pharoahs with their NON-negroid hair
(sometimes red brown as in the case of the mummy of Rameses II) and
the tomb paintings where they are portrayed as BLACK with
bongo lips and cranial head shapes that look like evolving apes. The
Egyptians were proud of their heritage and took great pains to
establish how they were represented in art. And it is obvious that
they didn't want to be mistaken for the people that lived to the
South of Egypt. It is obvious that you being the miserable
descendant of slaves are trying to connect yourself with a much more
interesting and important culture. Your argument might be believable
if the slaves of Africa were imported from Egypt. Your argument also
might be beleivable if the language, gods, art and architecture of
southern Africa were similar to Egyptian. BUT THEY ARE NOT!!!! Face
it- you are the miserable progeny of a diseased and ignorant race of
loincloth, bone in the nose wearing savages from the anywhere but
Egypt. You make me sick!
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Subject: Response to information on web site
From: USA
Name: Anonymous
I'M WRITING ABOUT YOUR WEB SITE, THE INFO ON EGYPT AND THE HYKSOS. I
MUST SAY, FIRST, THAT IT WAS A WELL WRITTEN AND INFORMATIVE SITE, ALBEIT
THE RACE ISSUES. WHICH IS MAINLY WHY I WAS COMPELLED TO WRITE THIS E-MAIL. I
AGREE THAT EGYPTIANS HAD SOME BLACK RULERS, HOWEVER IF YOU COMPARE THE
TIME THEY RULED (THE NUBIANS) IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, IT
WAS QUITE A SHORT TIME. THE EGYPTIANS WERE VERY THOROUGH IN
EVERYTHING THEY DID (FOR THE MOST PART), AND AS FAR AS COLOR IS
CONCERNED, WHEN A "BLACK" PERSON WAS SHOWN, THEY LOOKED
BLACK. MOST EGYPTIAN ART SHOWS EGYPTIANS AS A MUCH LIGHTER SHADE.
AND FROM WHAT I SAW, THE EGYPTIANS, WHEN DEPICTING BLACKS, THEY
LOOKED BLACK. SO, THE MAIN THING I'M GETTING AT IS HOW IS THE WHOLE
BLACK EGYPTIAN ARGUMENT FEASIBLE? I MEAN, WERE THEY A PACK OF
RACISTS? I THINK NOT, THIS WHOLE NOTION OF A BIG EGYPTIAN RACE COVER
UP IS LUDICROUS. AND AS A BLACK MAN, I'M UPSET THAT IN ORDER TO FEEL
SUPERIOR, SOME AFRICAN PEOPLE FEEL THIS GREAT NEED TO MAKE UP
STORIES ABOUT THESE VAST ANCIENT EMPIRES, FULL OF SUPREMELY POWERFUL
BLACK MEN. I DON'T PROFESS TO "KNOW IT ALL," HOWEVER, I'VE
HAD THIS ARGUMENT FLUNG AROUND THE HOUSE AS A BOY, AND FROM WHAT
I'VE SEEN, IT HOLDS NO WATER. I DO, HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT THE
NUBIANS DID RULE A SHORT WHILE, IN THE TIME EGYPT ENDURED, A VERY SHORT TIME INDEED. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHY EVERYONE IS TRYING TO DISPROVE THE IDEA THAT THE EGYPTIANS WERE NOT
ENTIRELY BLACK. IT'S A TIRED OLD ARGUMENT, IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THE
CRAP THAT WHITE SUPREMACISTS ARE CONSTANTLY SPOUTING, AND THAT, TO
ME IS SAD.
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Subject: Response to a letter from this page
From: ?
Name : Chris
Yes, I just want to say that mainly the race that Egyptians belonged to is a
battleground between many people online. African-Americans who are mainly
descended from West Africans, and Whites, most of who have no clue to the
Egyptians. Now, a Kushite descendent speaks. I'm Eritrean by national
descent, by bloodline and tribal line, I am Nubian-Kushite, Nubian-Puntite(Eritrea and surrounding areas were ancient Punt),
Sabean( Blacks on both sides of southern Red Sea), and Axumite. The latter 3 replace
each other with time. As for Egyptian bloodline, unlikely. It seems strange
that Blacks are stereotyped as dark skin, flat nose, kniky hair, etc. Whites
come in various forms, but you are all White, everyone sees you as that, and
most of our proud of that. Good. So are we Blacks. I was shocked to find out
that every African civilization, including Egypt before White Euro's and
Asians migration and invasions, have Kushite influence. Or that most of
Africa made up the Kushite Empire from Pre-Egypt times to early 300's. Pure
blooded Egyptians were Black from northeast Africa, so many of them had NE
African features, like Eritreans, Ethiopians, Sudanese, Somali, etc. So that
ancient unification between ancient Africans give Black Americans little
claim. We modern Nubians (Northeast Africans) get full claim to Egypt, all of
Nubia, Sabea, and other Black civilizations in our domains. And some guy
said that his friends were Egyptian and were pissed because their culture
was taken? They're Arabs by bloodline and Egyptian by nationality, the last
and successful invaders of not just Egypt, but most African civilizations
by manipulating Islam, as terrorists do today. Same applies to Berbers of N.
Africa, though they were ancient whites who moved from Asia 5,000+ years
ago. So every one not of Nubian bloodline, don't come here claiming ours.
Many early white "historians, archeologists, etc.", when manipulating
findings, stories, and facts in general, said that we Northeast blacks are
Hamitic, that we don't have the Negro look. A great book is BLACK SPARKS,
WHITE FIRE by Richard Poe, or THEY CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS. The first is
Mexican-Russian Jew, second Guyanese Black, and they have unbiased facts
that everyone into ancient history should look to. And I'm just here to let
everyone know about accurate historical facts, not to bash on you. It was
just 2 years ago I found out my bloodline as Nubian, and my pride with it.
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Subject: Response to Return To Glory
From: USA
Name: Shewill
I've read your book. It is excellent. Good references. This book
introduced me to the works of Ivan Van Sertima and many other
scholars whose works I have purchased. To have a white male involved
as co-author was an interesting twist. A little distracting but
still okay. A reviewer below made some euro-centric remarks about
Africans not being so great, killing each other in Rwanda, etc.
Newsflash to him (her) and others. Racism is being able to see
faults in others while not being able to see the same in yourself.
Example, white people kill each other and call it ethnic cleansing.
World War II was based on a German white man (Hitler) causing
genocide to German white Jews. Anyway, this book was very good. I
have an East African friend reading it right now. Thanks to the
authors.
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Subject: Response to information on web site
From: Canada
Name: Terry
Please allow me to give you some feedback about my personal reaction
to your book. I must state that this is my personal reaction and I
am not speaking on behalf of anyone else nor any organization.
I have visited your links below, viewed the photo gallery, and read
the first chapter, along with the reviews. WOW! Either I am
incredibly naive or the 'Black/White' issues in Canada is not as
huge as it is in the U.S.. I have never grown up even considering
that "black people" were a debtor to society nor sub
human. Therefore, I also would not have thought about "Instead
of being a debtor to humanity, black people were the foundation, the
very spring, from which civilization as we know it has
flowed.". With that said, I am surprised by the book, Return to
Glory. It appears at first read like it is written with a great deal
of animosity and hurt. I certainly was taken back to think that I,
and all Caucasians, are being portrayed as oppressors of the African
American. I await the opportunity to read the rest of the book
because I have great difficulty in believing that is the tempo of
the whole book. I realize that this is not written with a Caucasian
as its primary reader and would hope that you take some care in
clarifying that this is not an anti white book but rather, as the
title suggests, a Return to Glory--I did not get that feeling while
visiting the site.
I'm sure that being a Canadian I am sheltered from some of the
issues that my brothers to the south face and therefore am somewhat
naive. Please understand that this is the platform from which I
write. I respect and that you for actually taking a stand and that
someone like Tony Campolo endorses the book. However, I think it is
dangerous, and isolating, to build up any one people group as the
one and only means from which our civilization has flowed.
Personally, I don't believe for one second that any one people
group, the Greeks, Romans, or Egyptians were the "foundation...
from which civilization as we know it has flowed.". I am
certainly not speaking as an expert (or as one who is highly
informed for that matter) but you may want to take a look at an even
older civilization--that of the Orientals (specifically the
Chinese). I await the opportunity to read the whole book and be
enlightened,
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Subject: Response to the historical overview page
From: USA
Name: Michael
if the africans wre so wise and powerful what the hell happened and
dont say you trusted us and got screwed africans wre ruthless
they sold thier own in to slavery and when the british refused
to buy slaves or allow them to be traded you killed them for
meesing with your money and it was a pity for the african
captives after that because they didnt turn enemies loose but tried to
kill them all just check out rawanda same practice if they could
have sold those hutus you know they would have
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Michael, first learn to spell correctly before you make a complete
idiot of yourself as you have done. No one believes you, a fool who
cannot spell has no creditably.
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Subject: Response to Return To Glory
From: USA
Name: Marshae
I just finished reading Chapter 1 of Return to Glory....and I must
say that it was very compelling and invoked a lot of feeling inside
of me. I am a young African-American female who has recently gone
through a tremendous transition. I was always happy go lucky,
carefree, and loved everybody, that is until I woke up in the real
world. Now, when I read or hear about a crisis that an
African-American person, usually male, has gone through simply
because of his race, I feel a direct impact. Now, I feel so much
anger and resentment towards groups of people rather than
individuals. I know this to be wrong and I have full intentions of
cleansing myself of these thoughts and feelings. I believe my
knowledge of African-American Heritage and on the African-American
experience is very limited. This book is exactly what I need to
begin the process of enriching my life and maybe helping me resolve
my conflicts within. Thank you. Congratulations to you both on a
great book.
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Subject: Response to Return To Glory
From: USA
Name: Douglas
I have read your book and I was impressed. The first ten chapters
had me sitting on the corner of my seat. The latter part of the book
is obviously for people who were searching. Thanks for your time and
effort I have recommended your book "Return to Glory" to
many of my friends who have questions but do not want to ask.
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Subject: Social System of America
From: Ghana
Name: Guido
I read the first chapter of your book and believe you are on to one
hot topic which as an African, pan African and student who rejected
the social system of America (insofar as it relates to the black
man's position in that same society as well as the societal
institutions for perpetuating the society) as seen through someone
at Princeton University. I would like to read this book as well as
place a link to it on my website.
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Subject: A Travesty
From: ?
Name: AmirahLibra
I am appalled that an Afrikan man ( our true origin) is cohabitating
w/ descendants of the slave master to write a book for young Afrikan
men. If you felt a need to write this book and was unable to do it
alone there are many Afrikan men you could have selected. This is
just another instance of the Caucasian who slaughtered the Native
Americans, robbed, stole, enslaved and colonized the Continent of
Afrika being given free rein to further think he knows more about us
than we ourselves.
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Subject: Huh?
From Australia
Name: Michael
Schoeman
I haven't read this book, but happened to stumble onto your message.
I don't understand why you are so appalled by the fact that an Afrikan man collaborated with another person. because that's all they are, 2
people. why do you feel you have to bring race into the equation?
You speak of the caucasian people as though they can be blamed for the terrible happenings of history.
That makes you a racist because you've condemed someone because of the colour of their skin, instead of seeing them as their own individual.
What happened to the Afrikan people was terrible, but had nothing to do with us. we are their decendants, but are completely different
people to them and cannot be blamed for their actions. I am from south africa, so i'm probably more african then you are.
You should wake up and realise that who someone is, has nothing to do with race, be it Afrikan or Caucasian.
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